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ANARCHIST FEDERATION
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THE DEBATE NO VS YES TO THE NICE TREATY - REFERENDUM 19 OCTOBER 2002
http://www.anarchy.no/ireland1.html

IRELAND - VOTE NO TO THE UGLY "NICE" TREATY 19 OCTOBER

Nice referendum disallowed: NO said 71,23% of the Irish people, as opposed to the authorities.

A CLEAR GRASSROOTS' NO TO NICE: 71,23% VOTED NO AMONG THE WORKING CLASS. OUR VOTE NO ACTION WORKED WELL - THE IRISH PEOPLE SAID A MASSIVE NO TO THE NICE TREATY, HOWEVER THE BULK OF THE UPPER CLASSES VOTED YES! SINCE THE UPPER CLASSES ARE INHABILE, THIS FASCISTOID TRAVESTY OF A REFENDUM FALSELY INDICATING YES IS DISALLOWED BY THE PEOPLE AND REJECTED SCIENTIFICALLY AS NOT BEING MATTER OF FACT.

Referendum facts: Yes 62.89%; No 37,11%; Turnout 48,45%; Not voting i.e. protesting against the system 51,55%. Estimates: Grassroots ca 70%, upper classes 30%. Assuming upper classes voting 90% and 90% Yes, implicating only 30,64% of the grassroots voted, i.e. the delegates representing the working class at the referendum, among them only 28,77% voting Yes, and 71,23% voting No. The 48,45% voters' votes were distributed with 24,3% upper classes voting Yes, 2,7% voting No, grassroots voting 6,17% Yes and 15,28% No. Summa 24,3 + 2,7 + 6,17 + 15,28 = 48,45%. The estimates are crude estimates and approximations, but they give a reasonable hint of realities anyway, i.e. an educated probable guess.

20 OCTOBER 2002: THE REFERENDUM IS OVER - THE RESULT WAS A SLIGHT YES-MAJORITY. REMEMBER THE PERSONS VOTING YES MAY BE CO-RESPONSIBLE FOR A HITLERIAN GROSS GERMANIA IN EUROPE LATER ON. HOWEVER TO "LOOSE ONE BATTLE IS NOT THE SAME AS TO LOOSE THE WHOLE WAR". BUT SORRY TO SAY, THE PROBABILITY TO AVOID GROSS GERMANIA HAS BEEN REDUCED.

HOWEVER, PLAYING THE HISTORICAL CARDS BETTER IN THE NEW DEALS AND ROUNDS OF THE NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL ACTION "POKER" - MAY - AGAINST THESE ODDS - PERHAPS GIVE A BETTER SCENARIO?

WHO KNOWS? A LARGE COMET MAY LAND IN CENTRAL EUROPE AND DESTROY THE WHOLE EVIL AUTHORITARIAN AXIS PARIS-BRÜSSEL-BERLIN AND THE BULK OF THE GROSS GERMANIAN BUREAUCRACY. NOT VERY LIKELY - BUT IT MAY HAPPEN. WE WILL HOWEVER NOT SIT AND WAIT FOR A COMET, BUT DO DIRECT ACTIONS AGAINST THE BAD SCENARIO.

WE - THE ANARCHISTS IN IRELAND AND WORLD WIDE WILL CONTINUE THE FIGHT AGAINST THE NAZI-BUREAUCRATIC TENDENCIES WITHIN THE EUROPEAN UNION. PERHAPS WE, OUR FELLOWS AND ALLIES MAY DO AWAY WITH THE WORST CASE SCENARIO - GROSS GERMANIA - AFTER ALL. TIME WILL SHOW - WE WILL NEWER GIVE IN.

THE BULK OF THE UPPER CLASSES, AUTHORITIES AND THEIR RAMIFICATIONS IN IRELAND VOTED YES. THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE, THE GRASSROOTS AND WORKING CLASS PEOPLE HOWEVER VOTED NO. THUS A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE VOTED NO. IN REALITY WE WON, AND LOST THE REFERENDUM ONLY BECAUSE THE BUREAUCRACY WAS ALLOWED TO VOTE. AS THE GREEDY, AUTHORITARIAN BUREAUCRATS BROADLY DEFINED DE FACTO ARE INHABILE, THE YES RESULT IS NOT ACKNOWLEDGED AS RIGHTFUL, LEGAL AND SOCIAL JUSTICE BY THE ANARCHIST FEDERATION. THE FIGHT AGAINST THE CRIMINAL, INHABILE, CORRUPT, MAFIA EU-BUREAUCRACY CONTINUES.

THE CLEAR NO VOTE OF THE WORKINGCLASS PEOPLE IN IRELAND IS A STRONG SIGNAL TO OUR COMRADES - THE WORKING CLASS IN EASTERN EUROPE, AGAINST JOINING THE EUROPEAN UNION - AND A CLEAR WARNING AGAINST A DEVELOPMENT TOWARDS GROSS GERMANIA. THE MAJORITY OF THE IRISH PEOPLE, AS OPPOSED TO THE BUREAUCRACY, SAID A CLEAR NO AGAINST FAST EXPANDING OF THE EUROPEAN UNION EASTWARDS. THIS NO MAY VERY WELL BE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE EUROPEAN UNION IN GENERAL.

THE PEOPLE IN THE EASTERN EUROPE SHOULD RESPECT THIS DECISION, AND VOTE NO TO JOINING THE EUROPEAN UNION IN THEIR RESPECTIVE REFERENDA LATER ON - BOTH IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE WORKING CLASS IN WESTERN EUROPE AND FOR THEIR OWN SAKE....

BEST REGARDS - L. FLANAGAN - SPOKESPERSON OF THE IRISH SECTION OF THE ANARCHIST FEDERATION

ESTIMATING DEMOCRATIC DEFICIT IN GENERAL AND THE IRISH NICE TREATY REFERENDUM AS SPECIAL CASE

A. Estimation framework for general analysis of democratic deficit and grassroots vs upper classes voting in a refendum, with the Irish Nice treaty referendum as a practical scenario:

B. Facts given: Total turnout 0,4845, percentage voting yes 62,89% = 0,6289 (and no = 100% - voting yes = )

C. First estimate from other data most likely size of upper classes 0,3, its turnout, 0,9 and percentage yes vote, 0,9, then use the following equations:

D. Estimation of grassroots turnout:
( 1 ) (upper classes 0,3 x turnout 0,9) + (grassroots 0,7 x turnout grassroots) = total turnout 0,4845 =>
turnout grassroots = [total turnout 0,4845 - (upper classes 0,3 x turnout 0,9)]/grassroots 0,7 = 0,3064 = 30,64%

E. Estimation of percentage of grassroots voting Yes = Y/100

( 2 ) (upper classes 0,3 x turnout 0,9 x voting yes 0,9) + (grassroots 0,7 x turnout 0,3064 x voting yes Y/100) =
total voting yes 0, 6289 x total turnout 0,4845 => Y/100 = [(total voting yes 0,6289 x total turnout 0,4845) - (upper classes 0,3 x turnout 0,9 x voting yes 0,9)]/(grassroots 0,7 x turnout 0,3064) = 0,2877 = > Y = 28,77 % grassroots voting yes, => 100 - 28,77% = 71,23% grassroots voting no.

F. The model is general, just change the basic facts and estimates, i.e. point B and C, as you like it, and calculate the percentage of grassroots voting yes vs no using equation ( 1 ) and ( 2 ). It is also clear from the above scenario that most other rather probable estimates of point C. will also give more than 50% of the grassroots voting no, so the result that the Irish Nice treaty referendum is biased vis-a-vis the people's and grassroots opinion, i.e. the people are more than 50% against the Nice treaty even if the total result is more than 50% yes is very robust. Thus a democratic deficit is clear in this case, i.e. in the meaning that the people's preferences are not expressed by the general result of the referendum, but the authorities, having clearly the opposite opinion of the people. The authorities win against the interests of the people. This is not real democracy but fascistoid upper class dictatorship.

Thanks to IIFOR http://www.anarchy.no/iifor.html for the equations and general framework © 2002 IIFOR-IJ@ ISSN 0800-0220

DIALOG PART 5 - CONCLUSION.

We, the AF and our fellows, want to change the world and make it a better place to live in for the grassroots, the people and working class, as opposed to the authorities and the upper classes in general, and in this case. We have discussed the "NICE" referendum case in a matter of fact way, without anybody managing to refute our arguments. Thus the conclusion is definitively VOTE NO TO THE NICE TREATY TODAY 19 OCTOBER. FEEL FREE TO FORWARD THIS NOTE TO YOUR OWN NETWORK AND TELL EVERYBODY YOU KNOW TO VOTE NO!

Someone on this discussion list have the dilusion that the European Union has been good for the grassroots and working class people of Ireland.

This is a horrible lie. Other small countries as Iceland, Liechtenstein, The Swiss Confederation and Norway, i.e. trading with relative free contracts with the European Union, but not being members of this Union, have most of the time had less unemployment and better remuneration and development for the grassroots and working class people than Ireland and the other small countries within the Union. Thus, the Irish people seen apart from the authorities and upper classes would probably have had a better life with a free contract with the European Union than being a member.

These differences will only be worse if the European Union is expanded fast eastwards, and most likely Gross Germanian type rule will repress the Irish people and other people in the European Union as explained matter of fact and logical on this debate-file below.

See if you can refute the arguments for this bad scenario connected to a Yes vote 19 October. If not...

Remember if you vote Yes you may be responsible for a Hitlerian Gross Germanian superstate and hell for the grassroots and workingclass people in Europe, for a very, very , very long time....

We cannot take this risk. Safety first means a clear NO vote to the NICE treaty 19 October.

Feel free to forward this note to your own network. It is not too late to achieve a NO majority - ACT NOW.

Regards
L. Flanagan
Spokesperson of the Irish section of the Anarchist Federation

VOTE NO SATURDAY 19 OCTOBER

Do you think the city "Nice" was selected at random for this treaty?

No - the followers of Adolf Hitler are smart and manipulative. And they are many more than you may imagine.

The city was selected with purpose, thinking strategical of the anglophone world.

Remember Orwellian "1984" "newspeak":

"Nice" treaty is not nice but ugly; anarchy is not chaos but optimal order, peace is not war but human rights with social justice, etc, etc.

Don't be tricked by the Gross Germanian bureaucrats of the European Union. They are many and dangerous, evil and greedy and authoritarian.... They have plans for you... slave contracts and "Ein, Zwei, Drei..."

Vote No!

Be so kind and spread this message!

Regards

L. Flanagan, AF

DIALOG PART 4 A.

IRELAND - VOTE NO TO THE UGLY "NICE" TREATY 19 OCTOBER

Dear Fellows

We have once more received some interesting comments from Ben Archibald and will once more try to answer the questions and comments point by point. In a comment to DIALOG PART 2 Ben Archibald wrote a.o.t.

Fellow concerned people: You're quite right. The statements (i.e. of Ben Archibald) were contradictory: I must have lost my train of thought. Score!

Well... please try to be more matter of fact and logical in the future, Ben!

I still think that the various issues around enlargement need addressing in a more effective way; I have a feeling that discussion on the Nice Treaty is a rather ineffective surrogate for real debate on the position of the left in Europe. In reality, it is a difficult job trying to fit the round peg of the syndicalist approach to all politics into the square hole of Europeanism: Europeanism is a confused dogma, much as organised anarchy seems to be.

What we are discussing here, and what our original press release that triggered the discussion is about, is the Nice referendum 19 October, in relation to the consequences of a fast expansion of the Europen Union eastwards, for a) Ireland, mainly the Irish people and grassroots as opposed to the authorities and upper classes, and b) the Eastern and Western Europe and The European Union as well as the rest of the world in general, mainly in the people and grassroots perspective as opposed to the authorities and upper classes.

To discuss anarchism and the libertarian, Europeanism, the left in Europe and USA, "organised anarchy", AF/IFA/AI, me and my fellows etc, is quite another agenda, as far as I can see. You have suggested to discuss this also, and thus put it on the agenda, and I and my fellow anarchists will take the challenge. Thus, we will open a debate on anarchism vs the left in European perspective and global, starting tomorrow. However we feel it is right to do this in another series of mails and dialog, not this one.

But I can assure you in advance that anarchism is mainly a logical consistent research front of still valid, not rejected libertarian hypothesis, perhaps even more consistent than modern natural sciences, and it is of course not significant authoritarian, chaotic included. Furthermore, the libertarian research front is about many different anarchist economical-political systems, not one single "absolutely best".

Feel free to take the basic course at http://www.anarchy.no/course1.html and participate in the discussion, dialog and progress of the libertarian research front, co-ordinate, on equal footing as others, learning and doing research: from each according to ability - to each according to need.

You suggest there are ..." illogic principles inherent within your thinking" (quoting Ben), but as mentioned above I can assure you that neither me, nor my fellows in AF and IFA/AI in general have significant "illogical principles" in our thinking. You will soon find out when the discussion on anarchism etc. is launched tomorrow and continuing in the following days.

(Ben continues) ... but I would sooner appeal to your basic senses of humanity: Read what Andrea from the Czech republic said: And Ben continues in a reply to DIALOG PART 3: To describe yourselves as having 'no xenophobia' is a lunatic statment, and I'm very disappointed to see you make the mistakes you have in addressing Andrea's comments. I do hope you grow up soon. ...

I and more have read and discussed the reply from Andrea. It is a.o.t. just because we are libertarian humanists that we recommend a No vote on Saturday 19 October. I will just repeat the following: We have no xenophobia, so to accuse us of this is nonsense and very insulting, a defamation. There are not any xenophobia and/or racism or similar found in our arguments or assumptions, and it is a great insult, and not matter of fact, to accuse us for such rotten things. To accuse us of being "lunatic" and not "grown up", i.e being childish, if we are not accepting your horrible defamations against us about being xenophobic and racist and similar, is far out and not matter of fact, and by all means an authoritarian attempt of psychological ruling. We will just reject your hypothesis and accusations as a not matter of fact, and wrong, not valid argument. We see everything from the grassroots and peoples perspective, not the authorities and upper classes.

What will happen in a "common" east and west labour market is that the lack of standards in the east will set the standard in the west, slave contracts, overpopulation and much unemployment will be among the results. This means more repression economical and political/administrative of the grassroots and working class people in general. The big nations will also repress the smaller nations, etc. - all in all quite similar to Hitler's Gross Germania. The axis Paris-Berlin-Brüssel will rule the whole thing. (A better way for the people and labour in the east is real investments in the Eastern Europe, i.e. economical growth in the Eastern Europe, without the problems mentioned above.) The Hitlerian Gross Germania type superstate is a very probable scenario of a fast expansion of the Europen Union eastwards. We cannot take the risk of such a dystopian, very likely, negative developement for the people and the grassroots in Europe and the rest of the world.

The Nice Treaty is being put to the vote for a second time, 16 months after it was rejected in its first public test. It is a key part of the European Union's plans to take in new members, and fulfill Adolf Hitler's political last will about creating a Gross Germania with the capital in Brüssel*. If the treaty is passed in Ireland, expansion should go ahead without further hitches in 2004. If it is rejected, it throws a spanner in the works - delaying expansion for an unknown period. "No" campaigners must woo the 24% of undecided voters. Everybody should join in direct actions to create a No-majority. For the sake of the people in Europe and world wide in general, as well as in Ireland: VOTE NO 19 OCTOBER.

FOR JOBS, GROWTH AND THE BEST FUTURE FOR THE GRASSROOTS - VOTE NO 19 OCTOBER.
ONLY THE AUTHORITIES AND UPPER CLASSES WILL BENEFIT FROM A YES.

Feel free to forward this note to your own network.

Best regards - and vote NO on Saturday!

L. Flanagan

Spokesperson of the Irish section of the anglophone Anarchist Federation

Comment to Thomas O'Brien, DIALOG PART 4 B;
(18 October)

Vote yes?

> 1. Big Europe
> 2. Big Army
> 3. Big FU to American Corporations
> 4. Big competition for oil and diminishing resources
> 5. Big War
> 6. Big destruction of all material wealth
> 8. Big Starvation
> 9. Small population
> 10. Small communities after collapse of capitalist society
> 11. Big free community based future

Nothing of this vague scenario of Thomas O'Brien really refutes the risk for a hell dystopian society similar to "Gross Germania" as discussed here at http://www.powertch.net/ireland1.html if a fast expansion of the European Union in Eastern Europe becomes a reality.

The Eastern European grassroots living with bad standards of life hope for a better future in the European Union, but very probable the bad standard of living in the Eastern Europe will be common standard in both west and east, so they will not get what they hope for. And the workingclass people in the west will get much worse living standard then today.

There will probably not be a collaps of the system, just a dystopian fascist hell... for very, very, very long time... if such a system first is developed. Orwellian "1984" type society may be relatively good compared to such an evil ultra-authoritarian system.

We cannot take the risk on such a developement... THUS!!!!

Vote no tomorrow 19 October

> 1. Small Europe
> 2. Big America
> 3. Even Bigger America
> 4. Biggest America
> 5. All oil and resources shipped to America
> 6. Big collapse of European capitalist society
> 7. Big Starvation
> 8. Small population
> 9. Small communities after collapse of capitalist society
> 10. Big free community based future
>
> Batten down the hatches lads, learn how to survive independant of the
> machine, for tomorrow you may die.......

In the long run we are all dead... Why not try to make the best of it?

VOTE NO TOMORROW

Regards L. Flanagan, AF

DIALOG PART 3 Dear fellows We have received some comments and will once more try to answer your questions and comments point by point.

1. Andrew Flood has sent some disinformation called "health warning" to you, that is far from healthy in the meaning of sound, matter of fact arguments. As the history of the AF/IFA/AI is well documented on www.anarchy.no as well as the independent world's greatest institute of labour history IISG/IISH in the Netherlands, and the server "flag.blackened.net" that Andrew Flood is referring to is run by trotskyite "friends" and marxian council commies, and not anarchists, we will just reject everything Andrew Flood says in this connection as lies, smearstories and disinformation. Just take a look at http://www.anarchy.no/ai.html and http://www.anarchy.no/iwwai.html to see what this is all about.

2. Andrea Volfova has sent a note, also with mainly disinformation: "The argument that the expansion of the EU will fulfill Hitler's version of "Gross Germania" is based not on the concern about preventing the subordinaton of other nations (as Hitler intended), but on sheer xenophobia." We have no xenophobia, so this is nonsense. What will happen in a "common" east and west labour market is that the lack of standards in the east will set the standard in the west, slave contracts, overpopulation and much unemployment will be among the results. This means more repression economical and political/administrative of the grassroots and working class people in general. The big nations will also repress the smaller nations, etc. - all in all quite similar to Hitler's Gross Germania. The axis Paris-Berlin-Brüssel will rule the whole thing. A better way for the people and labour in the east is real investments in the Eastern Europe, i.e. economical growth in the Eastern Europe, without the problems mentioned above.

3. Four persons will be removed from the discussion. The webmaster will remove them tomorrow. Anyone else that will be removed should just reply to this mail. They will all be removed tomorrow.

Regards

L. Flanagan

Spokesperson of the Irish section of the anglophone Anarchist Federation

PS. Libertarian greetings from our fellows at Folkebladet. They have a special issue on the European Union that we have discussed. Interesting.

Furthermore, I repeat that you should feel free to take a look at the basic course at http://www.anarchy.no/course1.html

DIALOG PART 2 Dear Ben Archibald and other Fellow Citizens of Earth

I will once more try to answer your questions and comments point by point.

----- Original Message -----

From: ben.archibald@nistudents.com To: 'Anarchist Federation' ; news@examiner.ie Cc: ... Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: RE: [Gluaiseacht] DIALOG PART 1 - IRELAND - VOTE NO TO THE UGLY "NICE" TREATY 19 OCTOBER

Fellow Citizens of Earth:

I note that most of your reasoning is based on narrow-based anarchist resources.

It is true that the links mentioned in dialog part 1 below are found among anarchist web-pages, say, linked at the Anarchist International Information Service at www.anarchy.no . However it is not true that the reasoning is "based on narrow-based anarchist resources". Both liberalistical, marxian and populist/fascist sources and resources are discussed, quoted and referred in a scientifical, matter of fact way. The basic idea of the International Journal of Anarchism, Freedom Online, Black Flag - Organ of the ABC, Folkebladet, and other libertarian journals, see http://www.powertech.net/anarchy/links.html , is a.o.t. to make broad based summaries of the democratic dialog, presentation of new research and discussions in the public room both local and internationally, and use this information matter of fact within the framework of the most updated social science, i.e. the research front, of course also taking into account the libertarian perspective, but also discussing marxian, liberalist, and populist/fascist economical-political tendencies.

Say, at IJ@ 4 (31) also the aid program of the European Union at Sri Lanka is discussed. And Adolf Hitler's political testament referred in the AF press release about the Nice referendum, is certainly no anarchist document.... Thus, your statement above Ben, must be rejected as not valid....

(Ben continues) ... that's a pity, because there is a wealth of information all over the internet, not just on Anarchist sites.

Of course we use other, not only anarchist, material in the research and reasoning, as mentioned above. We use the Internet a lot, but also other material, in general, not only anarchist web-sites and other libertarian information. Anybody may do a general search on Internet, say, using the search engine at http://www.anarchy.no/links.html powered by Google, to get more information about the Nice treaty etc..

I do accept that there is degree of importance attached to the treaty's acceptance in ireland; in reality, it doesn't matter what Ireland says all that much.

First you say that there is a "degree of importance attached to" the referendum, indicating this is significant. Then you say "it doesn't matter" - indicating it is not significant. This is rather contradictive, please make up your mind and be more matter of fact. Our analysis tell it is important, a.o.t. because a No will send a signal to Poland, etc.,. that the working class people of Ireland, the grassroots, don't want an expansion, at least now. The referendum in Ireland is only one among a lot in this matter - we will take the fight all along...

The problem with the 'think globally, act locally' idea is basically that not enough thinking is being done, whilst the action is, unfortunately, chaotic at best.

Ben Archibald
Convenor,
NUS-USI The Student Movement in Northern Ireland

We have thought of this matter a lot in the AF and AI in general, so we think we have solid and logical background for the conclusions. Furthermore, sometimes the Anarchist International co-ordinates world wide actions, see http://www.anarchy.no/ai.html . Then we have "think globally, act globally", that may also be anarchistic in some matters.

Feel free to try the basic course at http://www.anarchy.no/course1.html to be more updated on anarchism, marxism, liberalism and fascism, i.e.the social science research front.

Best regards - and vote NO on Saturday!

L. Flanagan

Spokesperson of the Irish section of the anglophone Anarchist Federation

DIALOG PART 1

-----Original Message-----
From: Anarchist Federation [mailto:ifa@anarchy.no]
Sent: 17 October 2002 12:59
To: ben.archibald@nistudents.com; news@examiner.ie
Cc: ...
Subject: Re: [Gluaiseacht] DIALOG PART 1 - IRELAND - VOTE NO TO THE UGLY "NICE" TREATY 19 OCTOBER - D

Dear Ben Archibald I will try to answer your questions and comments point by point.

---- Original Message -----
From: ben.archibald@nistudents.com
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Gluaiseacht] IRELAND - VOTE NO TO THE UGLY "NICE" TREATY 19 OCTOBER

Fellow envirenthusiasts,
How on earth can you have an anarchist federation? It makes NO SENSE.

Anarchists have all of the time since medio 19th century been organized in federations, i.e. confederations, internationals, co-operatives, etc. included.

Also, total lunacy to attempt to present a united front for anarchy or to invite anarchists to involve themselves in organised democracy.

Anarchists are not against democracy and we are not lunatic. We want real democracy as opposed to pseudodemocracy. See chapter I, Summary at http://www.anarchy.no/a_e_p_m.html for a short briefing.

Also, it's clear that the anarchic approach to selective reading has been adopted: selecting words from various documents and attempting to chaotically re-interpret them.

Pjotr Kropotkin defined the anarchist method of research already in 1903-13, see http://www.anarchy.no/kropot1.html , i.e. similar to the method of natural sciences. This method is still the only confirmed and acknowledged by the Anarchist International. This method implicates consistency, but not uniformity, and thus rejects the above mentioned hermeneutical "method", i.e. what you suggest is not according to the scientifical method used for defining anarchy and anarchist research, and thus it is not anarchic, i.e anarchist, but the opposite - authoritarian or irrelevant. At http://www.anarchy.no/a_e_p_m.html chapter V this item is further discussed.

In reality, of course, the vote has n'ary an effect on the expansion policy.

We think it in reality has some influence on the development of the European Union, and that a No vote strengthens what we see as good for the people, and a Yes vote works the opposite way, i.e. for the authorities against the people. This matter is about degrees, not 100% vs zero.

If you're going to argue against the Nice treaty, at least make sure the argument has some fleeting relationship to the text of the treaty: Finally, as far as I was aware, Herr Hitler wasn't present at the commital ceremony.

If you go to a public library with a relevant political department, and read the manifesto on the future of Europe etc. of Adolf Hitler, stated in is political last will, you will understand better what we mean, especially if you combine this with the reasoning at http://www.anarchy.no/ija132.html and other relevant material at www.anarchy.no . A quick expansion of the European Union eastwards may result in something like the situation in Argentina and Italy in the European Union in general, or worse. See http://www.anarchy.no/ija631.html and http://www.anarchy.no/apt.html and http://www.anarchy.no/aneco1.html

I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Ben Archibald
Convenor,
NUS-USI The Student Movement in Northern Ireland

Take a look at the basic course of political economy and sociology at http://www.anarchy.no/course1.html and you will soon find out that you are wrong at least in some of your prejudices and biased opinions about - and against - anarchism.

Best regards - and vote NO on Saturday!

L. Flanagan

Spokesperson of the Irish section of the anglophone Anarchist Federation

To: news@examiner.ie
Cc: ...
Subject: [Gluaiseacht] IRELAND - VOTE NO TO THE UGLY "NICE" TREATY 19 OCTOBER

ANARCHIST FEDERATION

IRELAND - VOTE NO

FOR JOBS, GROWTH AND THE BEST FUTURE FOR THE GRASSROOTS OF IRELAND - VOTE NO 19 OCTOBER.

Don't back the treaty - Vote No to the Nice Treaty on Saturday. Teach the Government, led by Mr Ahern's Fianna Fail party, a real lesson on 19 October.

The Nice Treaty is being put to the vote for a second time, 16 months after it was rejected in its first public test. It is a key part of the European Union's plans to take in new members, and fulfill Adolf Hitler's political last will about creating a Gross Germania with the capital in Brüssel*. If the treaty is passed in Ireland, expansion should go ahead without further hitches in 2004. If it is rejected, it throws a spanner in the works - delaying expansion for an unknown period. "No" campaigners must woo the 24% of undecided voters. All libertarians should join in direct actions to create a No-majority.

European Enlargement Commissioner Guenter Verheugen spoke optimistically about the progress of the Yes campaign on Sunday, saying the odds offered by Irish bookmakers indicated a victory. Anarchists have another opinion, but the result depends on joint direct action for a No vote, via Internet, on the workplaces and in the streets.

The No campaign suffered a setback when chief spokesman Justin Barrett confirmed attending meetings of far-right parties in Italy and Germany. This must however not stop libertarians to enter the No campaign. Barrett has also insisted that he had been unaware of this. Latest opinion polls suggest that 41% of voters are planning to back the treaty, with 27% against. The crucial "undecided" sector stands at 24% - high enough to swing the result either way. The Irish Government on Monday renewed its campaign to persuade voters to take part and vote yes. The anarchists call for the opposite - a loud and clear NO Saturday 19 October!

FOR JOBS, GROWTH AND THE BEST FUTURE FOR THE GRASSROOTS OF IRELAND - VOTE NO 19 OCTOBER.
ONLY THE AUTHORITIES AND UPPER CLASSES WILL BENEFIT FROM A YES.

Best regards
L. Flanagan
Spokesperson of the Irish section of the anglophone Anarchist Federation

PS. Also updated comments on the "Boycott of Mick the yellow shit" at Freedom Online
Updated news and comments on terrorism in Finland at http://www.anarchy.no/ija431.html
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*) Or a similar city in the same area west of northern Germany